From - Fri Oct 2 19:48:22 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Fri Oct 2 14:24:58 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Tue Sep 29 23:16:14 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id XAA00947 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:16:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA18991 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:16:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA03821 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:14:43 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA03817 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:14:42 -0500 From: linas@linas.org Received: from linas.org (linas.org [207.170.121.1]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA18220 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:14:41 -0500 Received: from shadygrove.linas.org (shadygrove.linas.org [10.50.50.1]) by linas.org (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA30973; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:09:33 -0500 Received: (from linas@localhost) by shadygrove.linas.org (8.8.4/8.8.7) id XAA03163; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:58:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199809300458.XAA03163@shadygrove.linas.org> Subject: Re: Quotes, Plug-Ins and CORBA part II To: s_lichtenauer@muenchen.org (Stephan Lichtenauer) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:58:33 -0500 (CDT) Cc: linas@linas.org, gnucash-devel@gnucash.org In-Reply-To: <3610A755.F7965257@muenchen.org> from "Stephan Lichtenauer" at Sep 29, 98 11:24:37 am X-Hahahaha: hehehe Content-Type: text Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 It's been rumoured that Stephan Lichtenauer said: > > ok, i'll think about that when i start prototyping today or in the next days. i'll make > this with idl-files. as soon as i have some concrete ideas i will publish them here for > discussion. Wow! Cool, I'm excited. Actually, I also go excited over the register/filter/match-maker thingy for data sources, I decided that's really important for the next step. I was wondering if you could write that up again, with all of the corrections from the previous emails? Unless of course that's what your thinking of prototyping ... --linas ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Fri Oct 2 19:48:15 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Fri Oct 2 14:24:51 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Tue Sep 29 06:23:40 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id GAA20213 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:23:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA24929 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:23:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA31879 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:12:45 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA31875 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:12:44 -0500 Received: from ns0.muenchen.org (ns0.muenchen.org [194.95.192.251]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA22183 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:12:44 -0500 Received: from muenchen.org (dialwin112.moving-people.net [195.38.156.112]) by ns0.muenchen.org (8.9.1/8.9.1/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA08606; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:10:57 +0200 Message-ID: <3610A755.F7965257@muenchen.org> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:24:37 +0200 From: Stephan Lichtenauer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linas@linas.org CC: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: Re: Quotes, Plug-Ins and CORBA part II References: <199809270321.WAA19274@shadygrove.linas.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 Hi again! linas@linas.org wrote: Well, I have an alternative proposal. The current engine has a pointer > to a general, generic dumping ground for additional data to be associated > with a split. Its called "docref". I propose that it point to > mime-typed/multipart data, and/or URL-encoded key-value pairs. > > It's just that I have a bad taste in my mouth from using C++ base classes > for something as "simple" as a split. Before you know it, you are doing > upcasts everywhere, and calling the IsA() method on ever base class. > > If you are serious about adding all sorts of additional info, it might > make more sense to build a separate infrastructure that is tuned for > handling that type of stuff. Lets talk more ... > > --linas ok, i'll think about that when i start prototyping today or in the next days. i'll make this with idl-files. as soon as i have some concrete ideas i will publish them here for discussion. regards stephan ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Fri Oct 2 19:48:07 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Fri Oct 2 14:24:43 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Mon Sep 28 21:51:01 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id VAA00331 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:51:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA06469 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:51:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA07222 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:48:37 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA07218 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:48:35 -0500 From: linas@linas.org Received: from linas.org (linas.org [207.170.121.1]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA05337 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:48:35 -0500 Received: from shadygrove.linas.org (shadygrove.linas.org [10.50.50.1]) by linas.org (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA27982; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:43:33 -0500 Received: (from linas@localhost) by shadygrove.linas.org (8.8.4/8.8.7) id WAA29883; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:32:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199809290332.WAA29883@shadygrove.linas.org> Subject: Re: Mentioned on ./ Prepare for suffering. To: rlb@cs.utexas.edu (Rob Browning) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:32:05 -0500 (CDT) Cc: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org In-Reply-To: <87k92ob25c.fsf@nevermore.csres.utexas.edu> from "Rob Browning" at Sep 28, 98 12:03:27 pm X-Hahahaha: hehehe Content-Type: text Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 It's been rumoured that Rob Browning said: > > > We were just mentioned on SlashDot. I hope our web server's feeling > invincible today. don't know about gnucash.org, but I'm doing OK w/ 1.8KB/sec for the day. But two weeks ago, someone (freshmeat??) slammed me with 100% network full for about 30 hours straight. Zillions of source downloads. Very impressive. --linas ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Fri Oct 2 19:48:06 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Fri Oct 2 14:24:42 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Mon Sep 28 21:40:11 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id VAA23825 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:40:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA02477 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:40:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA06396 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:37:38 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA06392 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:37:37 -0500 From: linas@linas.org Received: from linas.org (linas.org [207.170.121.1]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA01786 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:37:37 -0500 Received: from shadygrove.linas.org (shadygrove.linas.org [10.50.50.1]) by linas.org (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA27962; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:32:30 -0500 Received: (from linas@localhost) by shadygrove.linas.org (8.8.4/8.8.7) id WAA29836; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:21:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199809290321.WAA29836@shadygrove.linas.org> Subject: Re: UI vs engine To: jacobs@jtek.com Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:21:02 -0500 (CDT) Cc: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org In-Reply-To: from "Stan Jacobs" at Sep 28, 98 04:23:39 pm X-Hahahaha: hehehe Content-Type: text Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 It's been rumoured that Stan Jacobs said: > > This brings up a good point, though.... Is this mailing list archived > somewhere for those of us who just joined? No, we need a vlunteer to set this up. I've got copies of most of the messages, as do I am sure many ohters. > Also, is there a coordinated project list of who's working on what? Well, I dusted off the old list and put it on http://linas.org/linux/xacc/projects.html I need help from everyone who thinks they're working on this: please make sure that you, your name, your projoect shows up, and that its appropriately worded. I know I've foprgotten to mention a bunch of people who said they were going to/had done, etc. things. (Send corrections in private). > How do you determine what features are integrated into the final product? the features that are included in the final product are those that are written, tested, debugged We even include some that aren't debugged in the early stages. :-) --linas ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Fri Oct 2 19:47:55 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Fri Oct 2 14:24:31 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Mon Sep 28 16:45:11 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id QAA04636 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:44:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02216 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:44:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA18743 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:39:13 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18736 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:39:11 -0500 Received: from www.llamacom.com (www.llamacom.com [209.152.94.130]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA00324 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:39:11 -0500 Received: (qmail 15775 invoked from network); 28 Sep 1998 21:44:03 -0000 Received: from www.llamacom.com (209.152.94.130) by www.llamacom.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 1998 21:44:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:44:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Gregory Martin Pfeil X-Sender: pfeilgm@www.llamacom.com To: Rob Browning cc: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: Re: UI vs engine In-Reply-To: <87pvcfncrn.fsf@nevermore.csres.utexas.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 > I think it was Jim Pick who mentioned he was > going to work on an emacs UI. This should work quite well as long as > you're happy running emacs (and why wouldn't you be :>). Ahh, good. I can deal with that. I just joined the list a few minutes ago so I guess I missed all that. Wonderful :) -- Greg Pfeil --- Software Engineer --- (pfeilgm@|http://)technomadic.org =====Bad Command or File Name. Good try, though.===== ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Fri Oct 2 19:47:52 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Fri Oct 2 14:24:28 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Mon Sep 28 16:11:45 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id QAA14417 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:11:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26184 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:11:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15938 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:05:31 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15933 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:05:30 -0500 Received: from www.llamacom.com (www.llamacom.com [209.152.94.130]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA24596 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:05:29 -0500 Received: (qmail 14744 invoked from network); 28 Sep 1998 21:10:23 -0000 Received: from www.llamacom.com (209.152.94.130) by www.llamacom.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 1998 21:10:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:10:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Gregory Martin Pfeil X-Sender: pfeilgm@www.llamacom.com To: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: UI vs engine Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 I was checking out the site, happy to see that this type of software is in development. I was also happy to see the one of the "must have" features is an engine separate from the UI. This is something I do in every project I am involved with and try to encourage others to do as much as possible. That alone puts you above 90% of the projects I see. One niggle I'd like to mention though, is the lack of "developing other UIs" on the "if someone will code them" list. I think the availability of a UI for non-GUI users (like myself) is pretty important. I know that your primary audience is the desktop user, but I think it's at least important enough to put it on the "if someone will code them" list. I would work on a curses (or line-based) UI myself, but I am currently bogged down with other projects. If however, I find myself with time (a rare treasure), I'll definitely take care of this. I just thought I'd put it out in the open if anyone else wants to grab it now. -- Greg Pfeil --- Software Engineer --- (pfeilgm@|http://)technomadic.org =====Bad Command or File Name. Good try, though.===== ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Fri Oct 2 19:48:00 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Fri Oct 2 14:24:36 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Mon Sep 28 18:25:07 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id SAA04198 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:25:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02967 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:25:04 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA25949 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:23:55 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25942 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:23:49 -0500 Received: from primetime.jtek.com (primetime.jtek.com [208.143.228.23]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02579 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:23:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by primetime.jtek.com (8.9.0/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA03878 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:23:39 GMT Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:23:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Stan Jacobs Reply-To: Stan Jacobs To: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: Re: UI vs engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Gregory Martin Pfeil wrote: > Ahh, good. I can deal with that. I just joined the list a few > minutes ago so I guess I missed all that. Wonderful :) This brings up a good point, though.... Is this mailing list archived somewhere for those of us who just joined? *smile* I'm guessing that the list got at least a few more members today with the "advertising" on Slashdot. :-) Also, is there a coordinated project list of who's working on what? How do you determine what features are integrated into the final product? Just wondering how this all works in this Brave GNU World. ;-) While I've been working with Internet banking applications for a couple of years now, this is my first distributed-development, open source, etc. project. thanks for your help, - Stan - -- Stan Jacobs Software Developer jacobs@jtek.com ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Fri Oct 2 19:48:03 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Fri Oct 2 14:24:38 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Mon Sep 28 19:38:21 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id TAA13557 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:38:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA26057 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:38:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA30904 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:37:05 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA30900 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:37:04 -0500 Received: from mail.cs.utexas.edu (mail.cs.utexas.edu [128.83.139.10]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA25711 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:37:04 -0500 Received: from nevermore (dial-65-16.ots.utexas.edu [128.83.253.128]) by mail.cs.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA22132; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:37:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rlb by nevermore with local (Exim 2.04 #1 (Debian)) id 0zNnmi-0000Iv-00; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:36:56 -0500 To: Stan Jacobs Cc: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: Re: UI vs engine References: From: Rob Browning Date: 28 Sep 1998 19:36:55 -500 In-Reply-To: Stan Jacobs's message of "Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:23:39 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: <87k92nn49k.fsf@nevermore.csres.utexas.edu> Lines: 37 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070033 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.33) Emacs/20.3 Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 Stan Jacobs writes: > This brings up a good point, though.... Is this mailing list archived > somewhere for those of us who just joined? Don't know. If it's not mentioned on the web page, then only Jeremy would probably know. > Also, is there a coordinated project list of who's working on what? Not really, though there is a file which gives a rough idea. I forget what it's called... I think there's a pointer from the web page (at least there was from Linas' xacc page). > How do you determine what features are integrated into the final > product? Generally, you bring it up on the list, and unless someone shoots you down, if you do a reasonably good job, Linas will incorporate your patches. I'm working on guile integration and hopefully soon on the graphing stuff (though I'd be happy to discuss that with others who are interested in working on it). Linas works on the engine, and several others work on various other items. Among many other things, we need work on the GTK/GNOME GUI (which you should coordinate with Jeremy and Ted MeloN). > Just wondering how this all works in this Brave GNU World. ;-) While > I've been working with Internet banking applications for a couple of > years now, this is my first distributed-development, open source, > etc. project. Welcome. -- Rob Browning PGP=E80E0D04F521A094 532B97F5D64E3930 ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Fri Oct 2 19:48:12 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Fri Oct 2 14:24:48 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Tue Sep 29 04:00:18 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id EAA21339 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:00:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA18282 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:00:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA25621 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 03:58:59 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA25615 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 03:58:58 -0500 Received: from ns0.muenchen.org (ns0.muenchen.org [194.95.192.251]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA17637 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 03:58:54 -0500 Received: from muenchen.org (dialwin125.moving-people.net [195.38.156.125]) by ns0.muenchen.org (8.9.1/8.9.1/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA04919; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:56:44 +0200 Message-ID: <360FC230.C9C549BC@muenchen.org> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:06:57 +0200 From: Stephan Lichtenauer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linas@linas.org CC: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: Re: Quotes, Plug-Ins and CORBA part II References: <199809270321.WAA19274@shadygrove.linas.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 Hi Linas! I will try to work out a specification next and then develop some kind of prototype. Regards Stephan PS Excuse my short answer but right at the moment I have not much free time. I will continue discussion and start work on specification as soon as possible. ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Fri Oct 2 19:47:53 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Fri Oct 2 14:24:29 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Mon Sep 28 16:34:49 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id QAA28390 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:34:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA31984 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:34:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA18303 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:33:30 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18298 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:33:28 -0500 Received: from mail.cs.utexas.edu (mail.cs.utexas.edu [128.83.139.10]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA31803 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:33:28 -0500 Received: from nevermore (dial-65-16.ots.utexas.edu [128.83.253.128]) by mail.cs.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21230; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:33:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rlb by nevermore with local (Exim 2.04 #1 (Debian)) id 0zNkv1-0000FJ-00; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:33:19 -0500 To: Gregory Martin Pfeil Cc: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: Re: UI vs engine References: From: Rob Browning Date: 28 Sep 1998 16:33:16 -500 In-Reply-To: Gregory Martin Pfeil's message of "Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:10:23 -0500 (CDT)" Message-ID: <87pvcfncrn.fsf@nevermore.csres.utexas.edu> Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070033 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.33) Emacs/20.3 Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 Gregory Martin Pfeil writes: > I would work on a curses (or line-based) UI myself, but I am currently > bogged down with other projects. If however, I find myself with time > (a rare treasure), I'll definitely take care of this. I just thought > I'd put it out in the open if anyone else wants to grab it now. I think it was Jim Pick who mentioned he was going to work on an emacs UI. This should work quite well as long as you're happy running emacs (and why wouldn't you be :>). -- Rob Browning PGP=E80E0D04F521A094 532B97F5D64E3930 ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Fri Oct 2 19:47:43 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Fri Oct 2 14:24:19 1998) X-From_: camm@enhanced.com Mon Sep 28 10:32:44 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id KAA16204 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:32:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from enhanced.com (enhanced.ppp.cyberenet.net [208.17.129.184]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15039 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:29:29 -0500 Received: by enhanced.com with esmtp (ident camm using rfc1413) id m0zNfEu-000I3lC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2); Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Sender: camm@hydra.host4u.net Message-ID: <360FAB57.548505B5@enhanced.com> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:29:27 -0400 From: Camm Maguire Organization: INTECH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i486) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: webmaster@gnucash.org Subject: GnuCash and SSL/Internet Banking Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 Just an idea: I have an intenet bank account that lets me manage my accounts over the web. I'm in the process of writing an automatic SSL download feature, together with a little private database of the relevant information. This might be a good feature, but then again it might not. The SSL stuff would not be redistributable. Good Luck with the project! -- Camm Maguire camm@enhanced.com ========================================================================== "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -- Baha'u'llah From - Fri Oct 2 19:47:41 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Fri Oct 2 14:24:17 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Mon Sep 28 09:48:29 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id JAA17112 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:48:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01653 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:48:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA18622 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:40:09 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18617 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:40:08 -0500 From: linas@linas.org Received: from linas.org (linas.org [207.170.121.1]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA31496 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:40:07 -0500 Received: from shadygrove.linas.org (shadygrove.linas.org [10.50.50.1]) by linas.org (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA25436; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:34:59 -0500 Received: (from linas@localhost) by shadygrove.linas.org (8.8.4/8.8.7) id KAA27494; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:23:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199809281523.KAA27494@shadygrove.linas.org> Subject: Re: OFX? To: perry@piermont.com Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:23:14 -0500 (CDT) Cc: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org In-Reply-To: <8767e9nzim.fsf@jekyll.piermont.com> from "Perry E. Metzger" at Sep 27, 98 03:09:37 pm X-Hahahaha: hehehe Content-Type: text Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 It's been rumoured that Perry E. Metzger said: > > > Would OFX really allow GnuCash to do most sorts of bank-at-home > applications? Yes. Sort-of. There is an older, proprietary protocol (from Checkfree?) still widely in use, but the banks have raised thier hands and pledged to convert to ofx any day now. > If so, and if no one is looking at doing this intensively right now, > does anyone know where to get OFX documentation? I might be interested > in looking at this. there are refreneces & etc in the src/ofx directory see www.ofx.net > > Perry > ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ > The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and > put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body > ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Fri Oct 2 19:47:47 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Fri Oct 2 14:24:23 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Mon Sep 28 12:04:37 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id MAA13312 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:04:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14139 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:04:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA30294 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:03:39 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA30287 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:03:36 -0500 Received: from mail.cs.utexas.edu (mail.cs.utexas.edu [128.83.139.10]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14010 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:03:34 -0500 Received: from nevermore (dial-65-16.ots.utexas.edu [128.83.253.128]) by mail.cs.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19484 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:03:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rlb by nevermore with local (Exim 2.02 #1 (Debian)) id 0zNghv-0002uc-00; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:03:31 -0500 To: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: Mentioned on ./ Prepare for suffering. From: Rob Browning Date: 28 Sep 1998 12:03:27 -500 Message-ID: <87k92ob25c.fsf@nevermore.csres.utexas.edu> Lines: 6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070033 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.33) Emacs/20.3 Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 We were just mentioned on SlashDot. I hope our web server's feeling invincible today. -- Rob Browning PGP=E80E0D04F521A094 532B97F5D64E3930 ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Fri Oct 2 19:47:27 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Fri Oct 2 14:24:03 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Sun Sep 27 19:46:48 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id TAA27362 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:46:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA08186 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:46:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA06267 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:43:16 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA06262 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:43:14 -0500 Received: from perninha.conectiva.com.br (perninha.conectiva.com.br [200.203.180.1]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA07014 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:43:12 -0500 Received: from animaniacs.conectiva.com.br (IDENT:acme@animaniacs.conectiva.com.br [200.250.241.2]) by perninha.conectiva.com.br (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA19812; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:42:31 -0300 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:43:45 -0300 (EST) From: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo To: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org cc: cavassin@conectiva.com.br, sandro@conectiva.com.br Subject: i18n Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 Hi, Is anybody working in i18n? I know the project is in its early days but I think it's worth to look at the internationalization issues from the beginning! If nobody's working on this issues I'll take the job! I've already done this work for: net-tools e2fsprogs minicom dialog and others. - Arnaldo "These are questions for action, not speculation, which is idle." - Noam Chomsky ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Fri Oct 2 19:47:25 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Fri Oct 2 14:24:01 1998) X-From_: jeff@jab.org Sun Sep 27 18:08:16 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id SAA19187 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:08:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from multivac.jab.org (cc592915-a.sumt1.nj.home.com [24.3.176.203]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07830 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:08:12 -0500 Received: (from jeff@localhost) by multivac.jab.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA26753; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:11:23 -0400 Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:11:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199809272211.SAA26753@multivac.jab.org> From: Jeff Breidenbach To: jcollins@gnucash.org Subject: gnucash list X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 Jeremy, I saw the gnucash announcement on Slashdot, and added the list (gnucash-devel) to www.mail-archive.com so I can check on things from time to time. If this is a problem, please let me know. Thanks, Jeff From - Sun Sep 27 23:06:01 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sun Sep 27 17:43:11 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Sun Sep 27 14:12:39 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id OAA01290 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 14:12:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02640 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 14:12:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA20644 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 14:09:44 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20636 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 14:09:40 -0500 Received: from jekyll.piermont.com (jekyll.piermont.com [206.1.51.15]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01774 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 14:09:39 -0500 Received: (from perry@localhost) by jekyll.piermont.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) id PAA03893; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 15:09:38 -0400 (EDT) To: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: OFX? Reply-To: perry@piermont.com X-Reposting-Policy: redistribute only with permission Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: "Perry E. Metzger" Date: 27 Sep 1998 15:09:37 -0400 Message-ID: <8767e9nzim.fsf@jekyll.piermont.com> Lines: 9 Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 Would OFX really allow GnuCash to do most sorts of bank-at-home applications? If so, and if no one is looking at doing this intensively right now, does anyone know where to get OFX documentation? I might be interested in looking at this. Perry ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sun Sep 27 16:23:50 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sun Sep 27 11:01:03 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Sat Sep 26 19:12:37 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id TAA03791 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 19:12:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA09764 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 19:12:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA08671 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 19:07:18 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA08667 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 19:07:17 -0500 From: linas@linas.org Received: from linas.org (linas.org [207.170.121.1]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA08296 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 19:07:17 -0500 Received: from shadygrove.linas.org (shadygrove.linas.org [10.50.50.1]) by linas.org (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19481; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 18:02:20 -0500 Received: (from linas@localhost) by shadygrove.linas.org (8.8.4/8.8.7) id TAA18449; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 19:49:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199809270049.TAA18449@shadygrove.linas.org> Subject: Re: OFX and GnuCash To: urutishauser@bigfoot.com (Ueli Rutishauser) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 19:49:55 -0500 (CDT) Cc: joe.cotellese@gvox.com, gnucash-devel@gnucash.org In-Reply-To: <360CD70B.E67012C8@bigfoot.com> from "Ueli Rutishauser" at Sep 26, 98 01:59:07 pm X-Hahahaha: hehehe Content-Type: text Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 It's been rumoured that Ueli Rutishauser said: > Yes, OFX is for talking to banks. > > i have done some experiments with OFX and communicate to some broker > banks. they are all in the CVS when you want to look to it. > > Joe Cotellese wrote: > > > I have a question re: OFX. Is this the specification used by MS > > Money and Quicken for talking to banks? The reason I ask, is the only > > thing left that I use that is Windows specific is MS Money. If I had > > a financial package that supported PC banking I could leave Windows > > behind forever. > > > > Anyway, I thought about doing some work on GnuCash in this area but > > it looks like you all ready are. I don't beleive anyone, including Ueli, is working on the ofx code. At one point I started writing a generic parser for DTD's, treating the DTD's as if they were IDL's and so that the parser would be a DTD-to-C++ converter. Never finished the work. Even if I had, one would still need to integrate this with the app. We need a master coder to tackle this part of the work. --linas ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sun Sep 27 23:06:02 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sun Sep 27 17:43:13 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Sun Sep 27 16:00:19 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id QAA05650 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:00:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01938 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:00:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA26472 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 15:56:33 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26464 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 15:56:31 -0500 Received: from swix.ch (Server2.swix.ch [195.210.0.34]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01094 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 15:56:30 -0500 Received: from red.urto.net (ppp308.swix.dataway.ch [195.216.65.232]) by swix.ch (8.8.5/4.5/two/19) with ESMTP id VAA16560; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:51:30 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8767e9nzim.fsf@jekyll.piermont.com> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:26:27 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: urutishauser@bigfoot.com From: Ueli Rutishauser To: "Perry E. Metzger" Subject: RE: OFX? Cc: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 On 27-Sep-98 Perry E. Metzger wrote: > Would OFX really allow GnuCash to do most sorts of bank-at-home > applications? Yes > If so, and if no one is looking at doing this intensively right now, > does anyone know where to get OFX documentation? I might be interested > in looking at this. you can get all the documentation at ofx.net . there are some test scripts in the CVS tree. i have allready managed it to establish a connection to E*Trade (internet broker) and get a full listing of my positions there. so its not that hard to understand OFX. i think no one is looking to OFX (enough) intensively at the moment, so you are welcome to ;-) cu ueli ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sun Sep 27 16:23:39 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sun Sep 27 11:00:51 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Sat Sep 26 07:01:39 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id HAA18790 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 07:01:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA18081 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 07:01:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA08699 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 06:58:03 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA08683 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 06:57:58 -0500 Received: from pant.paus.ch (pant.paus.ch [194.209.60.10]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA17089 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 06:57:59 -0500 Received: from slip139-92-60-28.klo.ch.ibm.net (slip139-92-60-28.klo.ch.ibm.net [139.92.60.28]) by pant.paus.ch (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aeb5) with ESMTP id ha193187 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 13:56:26 +0200 Message-ID: <360CD70B.E67012C8@bigfoot.com> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 13:59:07 +0200 From: Ueli Rutishauser X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Cotellese CC: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: Re: OFX and GnuCash References: <3.0.5.32.19980924094141.007eba70@squirrel.gvox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 Hello Joe, Yes, OFX is for talking to banks. i have done some experiments with OFX and communicate to some broker banks. they are all in the CVS when you want to look to it. cu ueli Joe Cotellese wrote: > I have a question re: OFX. Is this the specification used by MS > Money and Quicken for talking to banks? The reason I ask, is the only > thing left that I use that is Windows specific is MS Money. If I had > a financial package that supported PC banking I could leave Windows > behind forever. > > Anyway, I thought about doing some work on GnuCash in this area but > it looks like you all ready are. ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sun Sep 27 16:23:33 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sun Sep 27 11:00:46 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Sat Sep 26 02:59:25 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id CAA08501 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 02:59:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA16900 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 02:58:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA00438 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 02:56:55 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA00434 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 02:56:54 -0500 Received: from mail.cs.utexas.edu (mail.cs.utexas.edu [128.83.139.10]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA16083 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 02:56:54 -0500 Received: from nevermore.csres.utexas.edu (mail@dial-116-30.ots.utexas.edu [128.83.168.174]) by mail.cs.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA06118 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 02:56:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rlb by nevermore.csres.utexas.edu with local (Exim 2.02 #1 (Debian)) id 0zMpDj-0000IB-00; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 02:56:47 -0500 To: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: Re: CVS policies and gnome References: <199809260613.BAA14252@shadygrove.linas.org> From: Rob Browning Date: 26 Sep 1998 02:56:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: linas@linas.org's message of "Sat, 26 Sep 1998 01:13:01 -0500 (CDT)" Message-ID: <87ogs3xq68.fsf@nevermore.csres.utexas.edu> Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.43/Emacs 20.3 Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 linas@linas.org writes: > Way we used to deal with gnome/gtk code was that Jeremy Collins was the > coordinator. People would send him code, and if he liked it, he'd send it > to me. But I am not sure if he is filling/wants to fill the role any > more. Right, Jeremy was handling all the GNOME stuff but the register and reconcile windows which I was dealing with. I was just sending my patches to him. As far as I'm concerned Ted is now in charge of the register. Whether or not it makes sense for him to go through Jeremy I'll leave for them to figure out. -- Rob Browning PGP=E80E0D04F521A094 532B97F5D64E3930 ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sat Sep 26 07:45:08 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sat Sep 26 02:22:31 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Sat Sep 26 00:33:02 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id AAA06384 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:32:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA09187 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:32:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA28774 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:30:40 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA28770 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:30:40 -0500 From: linas@linas.org Received: from linas.org (linas.org [207.170.121.1]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA08996 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:30:38 -0500 Received: from shadygrove.linas.org (shadygrove.linas.org [10.50.50.1]) by linas.org (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA17927; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:25:48 -0500 Received: (from linas@localhost) by shadygrove.linas.org (8.8.4/8.8.7) id BAA14252; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 01:13:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199809260613.BAA14252@shadygrove.linas.org> Subject: Re: CVS policies and gnome To: magnus@alum.mit.edu (Daniel R Risacher) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 01:13:01 -0500 (CDT) Cc: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org In-Reply-To: from "Daniel R Risacher" at Sep 25, 98 09:16:07 pm X-Hahahaha: hehehe Content-Type: text Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 It's been rumoured that Daniel R Risacher said: > > > I've now got the gnome interface to a point where it compiles and > loads a file with the old clist-based interface, which I figure is a > first step towards being ready to help with the new-n-improved gnome > interface. > > So I'm wondering, who else is working the gnome interface currently, > and what's the status? MelloN implied that he's got some stuff in the > works, but the code in cvs doesn't look particularly new. Way we used to deal with gnome/gtk code was that Jeremy Collins was the coordinator. People would send him code, and if he liked it, he'd send it to me. But I am not sure if he is filling/wants to fill the role any more. > Also, whats the policy for cvs access? Is Linas the only one with > write access? It might be convenient to coordinate with whoever else > is working gnome issues if we all shared write access. Due to my security paranoia, even I don't have write access :-) the external cvs is just a mirror of the real cvs which is elsewhere. The goal of having jeremy be the single point of contact was precisely to avoid people stomping on each other. I'd like to keep things that way (having a coordinator); but I need to know who that will be. BTW, more frequent code drops are better than occasional ones. --linas ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sat Sep 26 07:45:05 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sat Sep 26 02:22:27 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Sat Sep 26 00:18:34 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id AAA02687 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:18:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA05929 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:18:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA28255 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:16:26 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA28251 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:16:25 -0500 Received: from toccata.fugue.com ([204.152.188.25]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA05662 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:16:25 -0500 Received: from andare.fugue.com (andare.fugue.com [204.152.188.83]) by toccata.fugue.com (8.8.8/8.6.11) with ESMTP id WAA21116; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 22:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andare.fugue.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by andare.fugue.com (8.8.8/8.6.11) with ESMTP id WAA12156; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 22:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809260516.WAA12156@andare.fugue.com> To: Daniel R Risacher cc: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: Re: CVS policies and gnome In-Reply-To: Your message of "25 Sep 1998 21:16:07 -0000." Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 22:16:23 -0700 From: Ted Lemon Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 Daniel, I've been working on the widget and have only started tying it back into GNUcash yet. If you've got something that compiles, I'd like to see it - I can't get past guile right now. _MelloN_ ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sun Sep 27 16:23:38 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sun Sep 27 11:00:51 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Sat Sep 26 05:49:45 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id FAA01750 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 05:49:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA13766 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 04:18:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA02406 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 04:16:44 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA02402 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 04:16:43 -0500 Received: from risacher.worldnet.att.net (233.bridgeton-10.mo.dial-access.att.net [12.67.17.233]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA13612 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 04:16:41 -0500 Received: (from magnus@localhost) by risacher.worldnet.att.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA05528; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 04:13:29 GMT To: Ted Lemon Cc: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: Re: CVS policies and gnome References: <199809260516.WAA12156@andare.fugue.com> From: Daniel R Risacher Date: 26 Sep 1998 04:13:28 +0000 In-Reply-To: Ted Lemon's message of "Fri, 25 Sep 1998 22:16:23 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 45 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.4/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 >>>>> "Ted" == Ted Lemon writes: Ted> Daniel, I've been working on the widget and have only started Ted> tying it back into GNUcash yet. If you've got something that Ted> compiles, I'd like to see it - I can't get past guile right Ted> now. Well, it looks like I cleverly used cvs to stomp on my own changes. They won't be hard to duplicate, but in a half hour I 'm leaving for 5 days in Disneyworld, :) and I don't have time to work up patches. In general though, I remember these problems off the top of my head: 1. Guile required different associated libs in the makefiles. I'm using guile-core-19980818. I needed to remove -lqthreads and add -lsomething. guile-core-971026 wasn't recent enough. 2. gnucash-shutdown wasn't defined anywhere, which caused startup to fail. I replaced gnucash-shutdown with gnc-shutdown in startup.scm, and that went away. 3. src/gnome/main.c has a problem with open_new_file(). Really, this looked kludgy and should be rethought, but replacing the line: newgrp = xaccReadAccountGroup (datafile); with newgrp = xaccReadAccountGroup (newfile); would at least get the thing to load a file. Also, I still think shared-write CVS is a good thing. I've used it sucessfully on several projects before. Maybe I could set up a parallel CVS project on *my* CVS server for the gnome developers to share experimental code. Ak. Gotta go. Cya. -- I fully intend to live forever. Or die trying. Daniel Risacher magnus@alum.mit.edu ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sat Sep 26 07:44:48 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sat Sep 26 02:22:11 1998) X-From_: lovell@hatchet.fc.hp.com Fri Sep 25 22:41:16 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id WAA29540 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 22:40:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hpfcla.fc.hp.com (hpfcla.fc.hp.com [15.254.48.2]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09345 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 22:37:15 -0500 Received: from hatchet.fc.hp.com (hatchet.fc.hp.com [15.11.162.209]) by hpfcla.fc.hp.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA01901 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 21:37:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from hatchet.fc.hp.com (fcml6264h.fc.hp.com [15.18.162.194]) by hatchet.fc.hp.com with ESMTP (8.7.6/8.7.1) id VAA08726 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 21:37:14 -0600 (MDT) Sender: lovell@hatchet.fc.hp.com Message-ID: <360C605C.2BA8D87D@hatchet.fc.hp.com> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 03:32:44 +0000 From: Matthew Lovell Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.34 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: webmaster@gnucash.org Subject: Building gnucash Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 Hi, I was hoping you could help me with a build error. I just downloaded the latest packages available for GNOME and attempted to build the gnome version of GNUcash. The make process stops with the error below, however. I was hoping you could enlighten me about what swig was... Thanks in advance, Matt make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/lovell/misc/downloads/gnucash-1.1.18/src/register' make[3]: Entering directory `/home/lovell/misc/downloads/gnucash-1.1.18/src/guile' echo "/* This file is automatically generated from the Makefile */" /* This file is automatically generated from the Makefile */ echo "/* Do not edit. */" /* Do not edit. */ echo "#define GNC_SHARE_DIR_DEFAULT \"\"" > path-defaults.h echo "#define GNC_CONFIG_DIR_DEFAULT \"\"" >> path-defaults.h echo "#define GNC_DOC_DIR_DEFAULT \"\"" >> path-defaults.h make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/lovell/misc/downloads/gnucash-1.1.18/src/guile' make[3]: Entering directory `/home/lovell/misc/downloads/gnucash-1.1.18/src/swig' swig -I../engine -I../guile -guile -o guile/gnucash-guile_wrap.c gnucash.i make[3]: swig: Command not found make[3]: *** [guile/gnucash-guile_wrap.c] Error 127 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/lovell/misc/downloads/gnucash-1.1.18/src/swig' make[2]: *** [gnome] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/lovell/misc/downloads/gnucash-1.1.18/src' make[1]: *** [build-flavor] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/lovell/misc/downloads/gnucash-1.1.18' make: *** [gnome] Error 2 -- Matthew Lovell voice: (303) 772-4526 709 Rocky Mountain Pl email: lovell@indra.com Longmont, CO 80501 From - Sat Sep 26 07:44:52 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sat Sep 26 02:22:13 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Fri Sep 25 23:29:40 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id XAA18398 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:29:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24947 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:29:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA26529 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:26:03 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26524 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:26:02 -0500 Received: from risacher.worldnet.att.net (17.bridgeton-11.mo.dial-access.att.net [12.67.18.17]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24514 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:25:59 -0500 Received: (from magnus@localhost) by risacher.worldnet.att.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA02534; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 21:16:08 GMT To: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: CVS policies and gnome From: Daniel R Risacher Date: 25 Sep 1998 21:16:07 +0000 Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.4/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 I've now got the gnome interface to a point where it compiles and loads a file with the old clist-based interface, which I figure is a first step towards being ready to help with the new-n-improved gnome interface. So I'm wondering, who else is working the gnome interface currently, and what's the status? MelloN implied that he's got some stuff in the works, but the code in cvs doesn't look particularly new. Also, whats the policy for cvs access? Is Linas the only one with write access? It might be convenient to coordinate with whoever else is working gnome issues if we all shared write access. -- I fully intend to live forever. Or die trying. Daniel Risacher magnus@alum.mit.edu ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sat Sep 26 07:44:29 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sat Sep 26 02:21:52 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Wed Sep 23 10:06:34 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id KAA15529 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:06:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05588 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:06:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA09610 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:57:50 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09603 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:57:49 -0500 From: linas@linas.org Received: from linas.org (linas.org [207.170.121.1]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01706 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:57:48 -0500 Received: from shadygrove.linas.org (shadygrove.linas.org [10.50.50.1]) by linas.org (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12092; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:53:14 -0500 Received: (from linas@localhost) by shadygrove.linas.org (8.8.4/8.8.7) id KAA32249; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:39:19 -0500 Message-Id: <199809231539.KAA32249@shadygrove.linas.org> Subject: Re: Guile To: Jon.K.Hellan@item.ntnu.no (Jon Kaare Hellan) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:39:19 -0500 (CDT) Cc: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org In-Reply-To: from "Jon Kaare Hellan" at Sep 23, 98 09:24:42 am X-Hahahaha: hehehe Content-Type: text Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 It's been rumoured that Jon Kaare Hellan said: > As to the multi currency features: GREAT. I was planning to try > them out, Don't get too discouraged, and don't get too hoppeful, its still broken in various ways. e.g. in the register window, it often displays the wrong currency in the wrong cell, thus leading to lots of confusion. --linas ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sat Sep 26 07:44:29 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sat Sep 26 02:21:51 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Wed Sep 23 10:00:38 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id KAA11890 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:00:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03059 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:00:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA09270 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:52:42 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09266 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:52:41 -0500 Received: from mail.cs.utexas.edu (mail.cs.utexas.edu [128.83.139.10]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA32014 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:52:40 -0500 Received: from raven.localhost (mail@dial-75-7.ots.utexas.edu [128.83.254.103]) by mail.cs.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07381 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:52:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rlb by raven.localhost with local (Exim 2.02 #1 (Debian)) id 0zLqHM-0006Dx-00; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:52:28 -0500 To: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: Re: Guile / stack overflow References: <199809150255.VAA08878@shadygrove.linas.org> <19980923175116.A6586@cs.mu.oz.au> From: Rob Browning Date: 23 Sep 1998 09:52:28 -500 In-Reply-To: Jon Kaare Hellan's message of "23 Sep 1998 11:40:39 +0200" Message-ID: <873e9ij2z7.fsf@raven.localhost> Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070031 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.31) Emacs/20.3 Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 Jon Kaare Hellan writes: > That's probably it. Silly me. I just installed a new guile when I saw > that things didn't work. You also need to make sure you have the right version of libguile-dev installed. Just the right version of guile won't do it. -- Rob Browning PGP=E80E0D04F521A094 532B97F5D64E3930 ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sat Sep 26 07:44:24 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sat Sep 26 02:21:46 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Wed Sep 23 04:51:41 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id EAA13283 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 04:51:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA20962 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 04:51:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA27334 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 04:40:42 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA27328 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 04:40:41 -0500 Received: from pat.idi.ntnu.no (pat.idi.ntnu.no [129.241.103.5]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA17442 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 04:40:39 -0500 Received: from hyll.item.ntnu.no (1759@hyll.item.ntnu.no [129.241.200.3]) by pat.idi.ntnu.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27627 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:40:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from hellan@localhost) by hyll.item.ntnu.no (8.8.8/8.8.6) id LAA19792; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:40:39 +0200 (MET DST) To: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: Re: Guile / stack overflow References: <199809150255.VAA08878@shadygrove.linas.org> <19980923175116.A6586@cs.mu.oz.au> From: Jon Kaare Hellan Date: 23 Sep 1998 11:40:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: Tyson Dowd's message of "Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:51:16 +1000" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 Tyson Dowd writes: > > So did I, but it did not help. Debian sep. 10 snapshot of guile > > 1.3. The rest of the system is (mostly) Debian hamm. > > That's my system, and it works fine, except I needed to add the > patch I posted to the list earlier (for libqthreads). But I stopped > getting stack overflows once I recompiled with version 1.3. ********** That's probably it. Silly me. I just installed a new guile when I saw that things didn't work. -- Jon K. Hellan Jon.K.Hellan@item.ntnu.no Div. of Telematics, Norw. U. of Science & Technology, Trondheim - Norway ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sat Sep 26 07:44:14 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sat Sep 26 02:21:36 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Wed Sep 23 03:03:34 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id DAA22041 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 03:03:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA03095 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 03:03:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA21278 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:51:26 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA21274 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:51:25 -0500 Received: from mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU (mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU [128.250.1.22]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA32269 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:51:23 -0500 Received: from stimpy.home.org (stimpy.cs.mu.OZ.AU [128.250.38.115]) by mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU with ESMTP id RAA02449 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:51:21 +1000 (EST) Received: by stimpy.cs.mu.oz.au via sendmail with stdio id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for gnucash-devel@gnucash.org; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:51:17 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980923175116.A6586@cs.mu.oz.au> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:51:16 +1000 From: Tyson Dowd To: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: Re: Guile / stack overflow Mail-Followup-To: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org References: <199809150255.VAA08878@shadygrove.linas.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Jon Kaare Hellan on Wed, Sep 23, 1998 at 09:24:42AM +0200 Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 On 23-Sep-1998, Jon Kaare Hellan wrote: > > I punted and went to version 1.3 > > So did I, but it did not help. Debian sep. 10 snapshot of guile > 1.3. The rest of the system is (mostly) Debian hamm. That's my system, and it works fine, except I needed to add the patch I posted to the list earlier (for libqthreads). But I stopped getting stack overflows once I recompiled with version 1.3. -- Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin Tyson Dowd http://tyse.net ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sat Sep 26 07:44:04 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sat Sep 26 02:21:26 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Wed Sep 23 02:34:00 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id CAA16049 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:34:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA27700 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:33:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA20459 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:24:45 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA20455 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:24:45 -0500 Received: from pat.idi.ntnu.no (pat.idi.ntnu.no [129.241.103.5]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA25187 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:24:44 -0500 Received: from hyll.item.ntnu.no (1759@hyll.item.ntnu.no [129.241.200.3]) by pat.idi.ntnu.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16792 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:24:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from hellan@localhost) by hyll.item.ntnu.no (8.8.8/8.8.6) id JAA17122; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:24:42 +0200 (MET DST) To: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: Guile / stack overflow References: <199809150255.VAA08878@shadygrove.linas.org> From: Jon Kaare Hellan Date: 23 Sep 1998 09:24:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: linas@linas.org's message of "Mon, 14 Sep 1998 21:55:05 -0500 (CDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.42/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 linas@linas.org writes: > It's been rumoured that Rob Browning said: > > > > Brian Sanders writes: > > > > > gnucash: startup-file is /opt/gnucash/share/scm/startup.scm guile: > > > Stack overflow > > > > > > I am using guile 1.2-6 and lesstif. I may investigate further as > > > time permits. > > > > Linas had this problem, but I'm not sure if he resolved it. It may > > actually be a guile 1.2 problem. FWIW I'm using a guile 1.3 snapshot > > I punted and went to version 1.3 So did I, but it did not help. Debian sep. 10 snapshot of guile 1.3. The rest of the system is (mostly) Debian hamm. As to the multi currency features: GREAT. I was planning to try them out, but since gnucash won't start, I can't. Jon -- Jon K. Hellan Jon.K.Hellan@item.ntnu.no Div. of Telematics, Norw. U. of Science & Technology, Trondheim - Norway ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sat Sep 26 07:43:54 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sat Sep 26 02:21:17 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Tue Sep 22 22:24:46 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id WAA21977 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:24:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA11217 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:24:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA09370 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:17:19 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09364 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:17:17 -0500 Received: from mail.family-net.net (mail.family-net.net [209.144.36.4]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09058 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:17:17 -0500 Received: (from thayer@localhost) by mail.family-net.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA10986 for gnucash-devel@gnucash.org; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:17:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Thayer Message-Id: <199809230317.WAA10986@mail.family-net.net> Subject: Re: questions, ravings, and more To: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:17:58 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199809230120.UAA01787@critter.ke.gte.net> from "Carl Kreider" at Sep 22, 98 08:20:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 > > Doug Thayer sez: > > > (snip) > > > 3. Various "cool" ideas, that are not vital for the project, but draw > > > attention - CORBA facilities etc. Not only they make the program a > > > monster, but they divert attention from real goals - like engine > > > features etc. > > > > These neat features attract new developers. They create interest in > > developing for the project and people will do this work because it is > > interesting. Developers are a potentially unlimited resource. Interesting > > aspects of the project which attract developers to actually contribute code > > are important. > > Maybe, but they can also diffuse the effort, especially that of the > primary visionary who is the one producing most of the good code > anyway. Every time I have seen it happen it has hindered more > than it helped. But, of course, YMMV > Yes, that may also happen. I think my point was that you can't apply traditional project-management techniques to free software projects. E.g you can't estimate that implementing CORBA will take 10 man-months of effort, scratch CORBA, and then expect to have 10 man-months of effort to apply to other areas of the project. What may actually happen instead is that CORBA-enthusiast X is going to do all the CORBA work himself plus contribute to the rest of the project as well (because he has to do that in order to get CORBA to work right), and cutting the CORBA element pisses this guy off and he ditches the project, you lose CORBA *and* other stuff. IMO, extra features that someone is contributing basically come free and could be a general asset to the project, and features that noone is working on can be dropped as it becomes apparent no one is interested. I hope that makes it a little clearer. Doug > > > (snip) > > -- > Carl Kreider > aka > ckreider@acm.org ckreider@gte.net carlk@syscon-intl.com > ============================================================ > "The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep, > and lines to code before I sleep. And lines to code before I sleep." > Anonymous > ============================================================ > ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sat Sep 26 07:43:50 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sat Sep 26 02:21:12 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Tue Sep 22 20:53:29 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id UAA28725 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:53:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14631 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:53:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA04634 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:52:35 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04629 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:52:33 -0500 From: cbbrowne@hex.net Received: from red.hex.net (red.hex.net [204.155.154.2]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14385 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:52:33 -0500 Received: from wolfe.brownes.org (peach-195.hex.net [206.54.173.195]) by red.hex.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA19421 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:52:35 -0500 Received: (qmail 5772 invoked by uid 500); 23 Sep 1998 01:52:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19980923015213.5770.qmail@wolfe.brownes.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 X-Exmh-Isig-CompType: repl X-Exmh-Isig-Folder: Apps/Accounting/GnuCash/Guile To: cc: cbbrowne@hex.net Reply-to: Subject: Re: questions, ravings, and more In-reply-to: Your message of "22 Sep 1998 20:19:27 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:52:13 -0500 Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 > Currently, the program is at a VERY early stage of development - the > major showstopper is the way to implement those bloody PIC data > formats. If you want to join or to share an idea, you are welcome. If > you suggest to rewrite it from scratch, providing reasonable arguments > for it, we'll discuss it. Is this associated with any of the existing efforts? There is a (possibly other) project out there; see: -- Christopher B. Browne, cbbrowne@hex.net, chris_browne@sabre.com Web: http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne SAP Basis Consultant, UNIX Guy Windows NT - How to make a 100 MIPS Linux workstation perform like an 8 MHz 286 ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sat Sep 26 07:43:49 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sat Sep 26 02:21:11 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Tue Sep 22 20:52:44 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id UAA28317 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:52:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14437 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:52:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA04552 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:51:53 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04548 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:51:51 -0500 From: cbbrowne@hex.net Received: from red.hex.net (red.hex.net [204.155.154.2]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14262 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:51:51 -0500 Received: from wolfe.brownes.org (peach-195.hex.net [206.54.173.195]) by red.hex.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA19248 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:51:52 -0500 Received: (qmail 5763 invoked by uid 500); 23 Sep 1998 01:51:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19980923015145.5761.qmail@wolfe.brownes.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 X-Exmh-Isig-CompType: repl X-Exmh-Isig-Folder: Apps/Accounting/GnuCash/Guile To: Reply-to: Subject: Re: questions, ravings, and more In-reply-to: Your message of "22 Sep 1998 16:38:09 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:51:44 -0500 Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 > OK. In this case, I'm gonna stick a TV tuner in this baby as well as > the ability to run PalmPilot binaries in a special emulator. :-))) > > Seriously, I believe, there must be two documents: the spec and a > wishlist. Future stuff must go into the latter, otherwise, we'll find > ourself one day with a program, that is barely able to keep a list of > transactions, yet fits the Corba, DCOM, and God knows whichever else > model. > > Please do not consider my words as "Corba is bad" or "Corba interface > is useless". We will need it, but definitely later. See also my > comment on SQL below. Agreed. > > > In case I join your project, I'd suggest doing the following things > > > first: > > > > > > 1. Making a feature list - a realistic one, so we could see *what* we > > > want from it. (~2 weeks) > > > > If you call it a "wish list", I am sure that we could somehow get it up > > onto the gnucash website, especially if it looks nice. > > > > Will do it. Don't be surprized, since it will look a lot like Quicken > 4-6. Which is not a bad thing. To those that might *wish* that GnuCash was "all things to all people," it might be an unfortunate thing for it to lack "the kitchen sink." In contrast, a lot of people have found that Quicken has been *adequate* to their needs. There is a great deal of demand for a "not-rocket-science" financial package for Linux. GnuCash can be a wild success by merely fulfilling that need. > > > 4. Go writing the code :). I'd go for writing a new engine, first to > > > take advantage of the model designed, and second, to make sure the > > > implementation is done specifically for this project, and is not > > > some other program incorporated into it. However, most of useful > > > stuff and algorithms in the existing code must be reused. > > > > Why do you want to write a new engine? You can't complain about > > Is 'modify' a better word? ;-) Absolutely. Rewriting it won't look too attractive. > > there being three gui's, and then implying its OK to have two engines > > without clearly articulating why a new engine is needed. > > Isn't it what I am trying to explain in item 4? > > > Many people have talked about and sql engine; there are good reasons to > > have an sql engine. But to duplicate what's here already, but change all > > the routine names, that would be folly. > > I considered using an underlying database, but I eventually dropped > the idea. Again: learn from other people's experience! Imagine a > Quicken user: he gets the program, he installs it and bingo - it > works! Now imagine the very same user and your saying to him "You > know, this GnuCash program is really cool. Try it. But you'll have to > install and configure mySQL or even (gasp) PostgreSQL". Now try to > figure out what product the user would prefer? Especially for home > usage. > > I'd rather suggest using a regular file I/O, but to make sure the API > are good enough to plug ODBC later (*much* later - home users don't > give no heck 'bout all those cranky databases) At this point in time, as much sophistication as is needed is to embed something about as sophisticated as CDB into GnuCash. (I did some testing of CDB, dropping a million-odd email tags into it in about a minute and a half. Very, very fast; very, very cool stuff. 14K of C source code, including utilities... That's roughly what we need...) I'll say it three times: - GnuCash needs to include an embedded DB engine. - GnuCash needs to include an embedded DB engine. - GnuCash needs to include an embedded DB engine. Five years ago, Curt Olsen and I both looked at the possibility of using a non-embedded DB with CBB; it looked like it would be "really cool" to link CBB to something like Postgres or Ingres, but that would have been ludicrously impractical for users to fight with. Today, it's no longer "ludicrously" impractical to use PostgreSQL; merely impractical for the "nonsophisticated user." Returning to the purpose, GnuCash can be *wildly* successful if it fulfils the needs of users looking for a not-very-sophisticated package to replace Quicken. They don't want to worry about DB backups, setting up DB users, or anything of the sort. GnuCash *could* use PostgreSQL if we assume that everyone will be using one of the Linux distributions that pre-installs PostgreSQL. That assumes a whole lot more than we should assume. Note: It's now 5 years after Curt and I first considered using an SQL database for this sort of thing. It was extreme "rocket science" then; it's *still rocket science now.* I would argue that CORBA is equally a "rocket science" thing. It is not ready to unleash on unsuspecting users that haven't a clue of what CORBA is, and will get bewildered when we tell them they need to install an ORB. > > > 5. Once the engine is done, GUI wizards will start their job. :-) I > > > don't want to start a flame war, but I think having one GUI is > > > enough - this would prevent duplicating of effort. I personally > > > (again - my *personal* opinion) would favor Gtk for many reasons: > > > open license, non-proprietary implementation, Gnome compliance. > > > > The gtk version has fallen into disrepair because the gtk maintainer is not > > maintaining it. But there are also some serious technical reasons holding > > gtk back, primarily to do with the (lack of a suitable) table widget. > > Once we have the cornerstone (the engine) working, we can fix that. A good, sound engine design should be readily attached to whatever else may prove necessary. It looks like enough attention has gone into it that the design isn't bad, and should be flexible enough to permit future extensions. CORBA shouldn't be the *base* technology just yet; it should be an *extension.* -- Christopher B. Browne, cbbrowne@hex.net, chris_browne@sabre.com Web: http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne SAP Basis Consultant, UNIX Guy Windows NT - How to make a 100 MIPS Linux workstation perform like an 8 MHz 286 ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sat Sep 26 07:43:43 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sat Sep 26 02:21:05 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Tue Sep 22 20:01:42 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id UAA00356 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:01:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA29848 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:01:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA01352 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:58:04 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA01316 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:57:32 -0500 Received: from mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU (mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU [128.250.1.22]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27944 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:55:46 -0500 Received: from stimpy.home.org (stimpy.cs.mu.OZ.AU [128.250.38.115]) by mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU with ESMTP id KAA08555 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:55:36 +1000 (EST) Received: by stimpy.cs.mu.oz.au via sendmail with stdio id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for gnucash-devel@gnucash.org; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:55:34 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980923105533.B2731@cs.mu.oz.au> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:55:33 +1000 From: Tyson Dowd To: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: Re: questions, ravings, and more Mail-Followup-To: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org References: <199809220830.DAA25677@shadygrove.linas.org> <19980923011227.A1111@cs.mu.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Alexander L. Belikoff on Tue, Sep 22, 1998 at 06:20:58PM +0200 Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 On 22-Sep-1998, Alexander L. Belikoff wrote: > Tyson Dowd writes: > > > On 22-Sep-1998, Alexander L. Belikoff wrote: > > > > > > I considered using an underlying database, but I eventually dropped > > > the idea. Again: learn from other people's experience! Imagine a > > > Quicken user: he gets the program, he installs it and bingo - it > > > works! Now imagine the very same user and your saying to him "You > > > know, this GnuCash program is really cool. Try it. But you'll have to > > > install and configure mySQL or even (gasp) PostgreSQL". Now try to > > > figure out what product the user would prefer? Especially for home > > > usage. > > > > Well, with Linux distributions like RedHat or Debian (and perhaps > > some others) installing an SQL database is pretty easy now. > > Pretty bad excuse, isn't it? ;-) Now try to explain the user how to > manage the database permissions and/or do the backups. Or, on the > systems, where the database administrator is different from root, give > a user a hint that the DB admin will be able to check his expenses. The database permissions will be managed by the install scripts for the programs. On a multi-user system root is always able to read all files and data, so the DB admin is really just another root account (from the uncaring users point of view). Any insecurity is regarded as a bug, unless the user wants to open up the system. Backups are handled by integrating the backup agents with the database dumps. > > Better still, consider a system, where there is no database installed > (for space or whatever other reason). Would you suggest a user to > install it manually? No, I'd suggest they move into the late 90s and use a decent packaging system. Or use a simple file based interface, but be aware of the advantages/drawbacks of both. > > To summarize: remember - this program is intended to be used by many > *clueless* users, who only know how to manage their money with Quicken > or a similar product. Once you start assuming any technical > experience, you'll scare them off. Again, we are talking about > *personal* finance manager. A small business/office solution is a > completely different story. GnuCash is both. I use xacc to keep the finances for a business. Quicken 6 is not up to this task because it doesn't have a well developed double-entry model. > > I'd really like it to be a single executable file, which I could give > users and tell them to put it wherever they want - nothing else > required. A .deb and .rpm will be fine for most Linux users. A .tar.gz with autoconfiguring scripts and installation will be ok for the technical ones. > > > > I know that with Debian you can just make gnucash depend on postgresql > > and it will install postgresql for you. Probably the same sort of > > thing in other Linux distros. > > We start talking about distributions - I think it's bad. A program > should not make any of such assumptions. And BTW, Linux is not the > only UNIX system on the market. ;-) I'm well aware of that. And when Joe Quicken starts using Solaris or HP-UX at home, we will try to make it easy for them too. > > > So if someone were to come along and write an SQL backend, I wouldn't > > say it is useless. I'd suspect in a year or two it will be pretty > > common for a package to expect both an SQL database and an ORB to > > be installed already. Users won't even know it's there. > > I have no reasons to disagree with it, but since we are not a "year or > two" ahead, let's assume no SQL database and/or ORB is installed by > default (as it usually is). Sure -- the default system is the current system. > > > Of course more lightweight mechansims would be nice to support at > > the same time. > > Yes, and I think it must be the default way the program works. Of course. But I am not going to let you write off an SQL backend because "it's too difficult to install" ;-) With a halfway decent system you can get it installed without doing a thing. That includes full system integration on a good distribution. If someone wants to write it, I say more power to them. At the very least it will help abstract the back-end some more. -- Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin Tyson Dowd http://tyse.net ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sat Sep 26 07:43:44 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sat Sep 26 02:21:06 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Tue Sep 22 20:01:47 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id UAA00411 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:01:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA29868 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:01:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA00637 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:43:23 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00594 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:42:51 -0500 Received: from mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU (mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU [128.250.1.22]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA22981 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:41:04 -0500 Received: from stimpy.home.org (stimpy.cs.mu.OZ.AU [128.250.38.115]) by mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU with ESMTP id KAA07098 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:39:13 +1000 (EST) Received: by stimpy.cs.mu.oz.au via sendmail with stdio id (Debian Smail3.2.0.101) for gnucash-devel@gnucash.org; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:39:01 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980923103859.A2731@cs.mu.oz.au> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:38:59 +1000 From: Tyson Dowd To: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: Re: diff: configure.in and the guile libs. Mail-Followup-To: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org References: <19980923003524.A1114@cs.mu.oz.au> <87af3sjg05.fsf@raven.localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.2i In-Reply-To: <87af3sjg05.fsf@raven.localhost>; from Rob Browning on Tue, Sep 22, 1998 at 10:58:50AM +0000 Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 On 22-Sep-1998, Rob Browning wrote: > Tyson Dowd writes: > > > There seems to be some problems with auto-configuring the exact > > set of guile libraries (it appears to be installation dependent > > whether guile actually uses libqthreads). > > Right. I just hacked up these tests. Given my relative inexperience > with autoconf, I wouldn't be surprised if I missed something. It's difficult to test autoconf scripts though, because they don't fail until you use them on someone else's configuration! > > It looks like your test is the same as mine, with -ldl and -lreadline > added to the guile libs. I think perhaps those should be added as > separate tests before the guile test. Also I think testing for a Well, I cannot link with guile without these ones as well. I can test to see if you can link without these libs first. See the new diff below. > function we actually use would be a better idea. How about gh_enter? That's a good idea. I just picked some functions at random -- I'll pick them out of code now. Index: configure.in =================================================================== RCS file: /home/cvs/cvsroot/xacc/configure.in,v retrieving revision 1.24 diff -u -r1.24 configure.in --- configure.in 1998/09/14 06:05:10 1.24 +++ configure.in 1998/09/22 23:26:33 @@ -59,8 +59,6 @@ [ --with-gnome-libraries=DIR specify where to look for gnome libs], X_LIBS="${X_LIBS} -L$with_gnome_libraries" ) -AC_ARG_WITH(package, help-string [, action-if-given [, action-if-not-given]]) - # ******************************************* # check for various programs, and stuff: AC_PROG_INSTALL @@ -94,12 +92,19 @@ AC_DEFINE(HAVE_XPM,1) X_LIBS="-lXpm $X_LIBS", AC_DEFINE(HAVE_XPM,0), -L $x_libraries -lX11) -AC_CHECK_LIB(guile, main, - AC_DEFINE(HAVE_GUILE,1) LIBS="-lguile ${LIBS}", - AC_CHECK_LIB(qthreads, main, - AC_DEFINE(HAVE_GUILE,1) LIBS="-lguile -lqthreads ${LIBS}", - echo "Guile currently required for build"; exit 1;, - -lguile)) +# Set GUILELIBS according to the set of libraries needed to link +# with guile. +AC_CHECK_LIB(guile, gh_enter, + GUILELIBS="-lguile", + AC_CHECK_LIB(guile, gh_define, + GUILELIBS="-lguile -ldl -lreadline", + AC_CHECK_LIB(guile, gh_eval_file, + GUILELIBS="-lguile -ldl -lreadline -lqthreads", + AC_MSG_WARN(cannot link with guile), + -ldl -lreadline -lqthreads), + -ldl -lreadline) + ) +AC_SUBST(GUILELIBS) # ******************************************* AC_CONFIG_HEADER(config.h) Index: src/gnome/Makefile.in =================================================================== RCS file: /home/cvs/cvsroot/xacc/src/gnome/Makefile.in,v retrieving revision 1.18 diff -u -r1.18 Makefile.in --- Makefile.in 1998/09/14 06:03:52 1.18 +++ Makefile.in 1998/09/22 23:26:33 @@ -31,17 +31,19 @@ CC = @CC@ + INCLPATH = -I.. -I../.. -I../engine -I../register -I../guile \ -I@srcdir@/../../include \ - -I$(includedir) -I$(prefix)/lib/gnome-libs/include - + -I$(includedir) CFLAGS = @CFLAGS@ @X_CFLAGS@ ${INCLPATH} LDFLAGS = @LDFLAGS@ + +GUILELIBS = @GUILELIBS@ LIBS = -L$(prefix)/lib @LIBS@ @X_PRE_LIBS@ @X_LIBS@ \ $(shell gtk-config --libs) @X_EXTRA_LIBS@ -lgnomeui -lgnome \ -lgnomesupport -lgdk_imlib -ltiff \ - -lreadline -lintl + $(GUILELIBS) -lintl TARGET = ../../gnucash.gnome Index: src/motif/Makefile.in =================================================================== RCS file: /home/cvs/cvsroot/xacc/src/motif/Makefile.in,v retrieving revision 1.14 diff -u -r1.14 Makefile.in --- Makefile.in 1998/09/14 06:03:55 1.14 +++ Makefile.in 1998/09/22 23:26:34 @@ -44,9 +44,10 @@ CFLAGS = @CFLAGS@ @X_CFLAGS@ -DCELL_WIDGETS=1 ${INCLPATH} LDFLAGS = @LDFLAGS@ + +GUILELIBS = @GUILELIBS@ LIBS = -L$(prefix)/lib -lXm -lXmu -lXt -lXext @X_PRE_LIBS@ \ - @X_LIBS@ -lX11 @X_EXTRA_LIBS@ @LIBS@ \ - -lreadline -ldl + @X_LIBS@ -lX11 @X_EXTRA_LIBS@ @LIBS@ $(GUILELIBS) TARGET = ../../gnucash.motif STATIC = ../../gnucash.motif.static Index: src/qt/Makefile.in =================================================================== RCS file: /home/cvs/cvsroot/xacc/src/qt/Makefile.in,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.4 Makefile.in --- Makefile.in 1998/09/11 06:19:33 1.4 +++ Makefile.in 1998/09/22 23:26:34 @@ -31,8 +31,11 @@ CFLAGS = @CFLAGS@ @X_CFLAGS@ ${INCLPATH} LDFLAGS = @LDFLAGS@ + +GUILELIBS = @GUILELIBS@ LIBS = -L$(prefix)/lib @LIBS@ @X_PRE_LIBS@ @X_LIBS@ \ - $(shell gtk-config --libs) @X_EXTRA_LIBS@ -lqt -lkdecore -lkdeui + $(shell gtk-config --libs) @X_EXTRA_LIBS@ -lqt -lkdecore -lkdeui \ + $(GUILELIBS) TARGET = ../../gnucash.qt STATIC = ../../gnucash.qt.static -- Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin Tyson Dowd http://tyse.net ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sat Sep 26 07:43:40 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sat Sep 26 02:21:02 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Tue Sep 22 18:12:12 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id SAA05904 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:12:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27028 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:12:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA26835 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:07:56 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA26831 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:07:54 -0500 Received: from toccata.fugue.com ([204.152.188.25]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25958 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 18:07:53 -0500 Received: from andare.fugue.com (mg139-045.ricochet.net [204.179.139.45]) by toccata.fugue.com (8.8.8/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA25011; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:07:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andare.fugue.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by andare.fugue.com (8.8.8/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA27782; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809222307.TAA27782@andare.fugue.com> To: abel@bfr.co.il (Alexander L. Belikoff) cc: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: Re: questions, ravings, and more In-Reply-To: Your message of "22 Sep 1998 23:09:37 +0200." Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:07:26 -0700 From: Ted Lemon Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 Alexander, it seems to me that if you want to approach this problem the right way, you should read the code and figure out what Linas is trying to do. By coming up with a spec that's what you think should be done and presenting it as a fait accomplis, you're putting the entire burden of dealing with your needs on Linas. Those of us who are currently content in the belief that he's moving in the right direction would rather have him continue to move than spend time critiquing your specification, particularly if you can't even try to get the starting point close to where he is now. _MelloN_ ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sat Sep 26 07:43:37 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sat Sep 26 02:21:00 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Tue Sep 22 16:59:28 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id QAA25900 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:59:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA04871 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:59:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA18404 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:27:38 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18291 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:25:37 -0500 Received: from toccata.fugue.com ([204.152.188.25]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26752 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:23:51 -0500 Received: from andare.fugue.com (mg139-045.ricochet.net [204.179.139.45]) by toccata.fugue.com (8.8.8/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA23600; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andare.fugue.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by andare.fugue.com (8.8.8/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA27255; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809222123.RAA27255@andare.fugue.com> To: perry@piermont.com cc: abel@bfr.co.il (Alexander L. Belikoff), linas@linas.org, gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: Re: questions, ravings, and more In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:36:37 EDT." <199809222036.QAA15036@jekyll.piermont.com> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:23:18 -0700 From: Ted Lemon Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 Nicely put, Perry. I've been trying to put my finger on the source of my unhappiness about this line of discussion for a while now, and I think you've identified it quite accurately. _MelloN_ ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sat Sep 26 07:43:33 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sat Sep 26 02:20:56 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Tue Sep 22 16:15:36 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id QAA26883 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:15:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24138 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:13:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA17296 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:09:41 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA17286 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:09:39 -0500 Received: from buster.bfr.co.il ([192.116.142.129]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA23070 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:09:38 -0500 Received: from vermis.bfr.co.il (vermis.bfr.co.il [128.253.154.43]) by buster.bfr.co.il (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA22031 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:09:37 +0200 Received: (from abel@localhost) by vermis.bfr.co.il (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA21923; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:09:37 +0200 To: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: Re: questions, ravings, and more References: <199809222036.QAA15036@jekyll.piermont.com> From: abel@bfr.co.il (Alexander L. Belikoff) Date: 22 Sep 1998 23:09:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Perry E. Metzger"'s message of "Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:36:37 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 51 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.22/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 "Perry E. Metzger" writes: > Alexander L. Belikoff writes: > > "Perry E. Metzger" writes: > > > Maybe you could demonstrate your ability to code first? > > > > My programming experience (about 11 years) is in proprietary sector > > (scientific). This includes about 8 years of UNIX programming. I'd > > That's not what I meant. > > The way things work in free software projects is like this: first, > someone starts out contributing bug fixes and enhancements. Then, they > gain respect as people see that they know what they are doing and are > committed to fixing the codebase. Later, if they chip in enough, they > tend to rise to leadership positions. Sorry, I didn't ask or suggest my leadership to any extent. All I want is: - to share my opinion on the subject (a PFM for Unix) and to find out why our visions are different. If my ideas are wrong, then I'll change them. But I have to be convinced I am wrong. - to help developing a product, which would not only be interesting to me and a couple of techno-minded enthusiasts, but to ordinary mortals as well. > People usually don't start out by saying "you don't know what you're > doing. I'm an experienced manager, though, and will help guide you out > of your misery. Here, allow me to write a spec and dictate your > actions." Well, except for the part about the spec, I said nothing like that. :-) What I keep saying is 'I have a bit of experience. Let me share it. If you like it - fine. If not, please explain me why I am wrong.' WRT the spec, I proposed trying to write it. You all DO have a spec - it's in your heads and it's fuzzy and varying from mind to mind. I happen to believe, that the spec helps programming discipline, clearly displaying the extent the project is complete. And BTW, I suggest to write a spec to merely compare with the one of Linas. This would help us all to see whether we are having the same program in mind. -- Alexander L. Belikoff Bloomberg L.P. / BFM Financial Research Ltd. abel@bfr.co.il ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sat Sep 26 07:43:32 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sat Sep 26 02:20:55 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Tue Sep 22 15:44:42 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id PAA07654 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:44:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA16233 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:44:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA14247 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:36:59 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14225 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:36:53 -0500 Received: from jekyll.piermont.com (jekyll.piermont.com [206.1.51.15]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13901 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:36:52 -0500 Received: from jekyll.piermont.com (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by jekyll.piermont.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA15036; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809222036.QAA15036@jekyll.piermont.com> To: abel@bfr.co.il (Alexander L. Belikoff) cc: perry@piermont.com, linas@linas.org, gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: Re: questions, ravings, and more In-reply-to: Your message of "22 Sep 1998 20:19:27 +0200." Reply-To: perry@piermont.com X-Reposting-Policy: redistribute only with permission Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:36:37 -0400 From: "Perry E. Metzger" Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 Alexander L. Belikoff writes: > "Perry E. Metzger" writes: > > Maybe you could demonstrate your ability to code first? > > My programming experience (about 11 years) is in proprietary sector > (scientific). This includes about 8 years of UNIX programming. I'd That's not what I meant. The way things work in free software projects is like this: first, someone starts out contributing bug fixes and enhancements. Then, they gain respect as people see that they know what they are doing and are committed to fixing the codebase. Later, if they chip in enough, they tend to rise to leadership positions. People usually don't start out by saying "you don't know what you're doing. I'm an experienced manager, though, and will help guide you out of your misery. Here, allow me to write a spec and dictate your actions." Perry ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sat Sep 26 07:43:45 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sat Sep 26 02:21:07 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Tue Sep 22 20:20:56 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id UAA10509 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:20:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from majordomo1.host4u.net (majordomo1.host4u.net [209.150.128.43]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04004 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:20:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA02775 for gnucash-devel-list.hydra; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:18:07 -0500 Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by majordomo1.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02770 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:18:06 -0500 Received: from mail.cs.utexas.edu (mail.cs.utexas.edu [128.83.139.10]) by hydra.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02834 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:18:05 -0500 Received: from raven.localhost (mail@dial-75-7.ots.utexas.edu [128.83.254.103]) by mail.cs.utexas.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03764 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:17:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rlb by raven.localhost with local (Exim 2.02 #1 (Debian)) id 0zLdZ2-0008En-00; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:17:52 -0500 To: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Subject: Re: diff: configure.in and the guile libs. References: <19980923003524.A1114@cs.mu.oz.au> <87af3sjg05.fsf@raven.localhost> <19980923103859.A2731@cs.mu.oz.au> From: Rob Browning Date: 22 Sep 1998 20:17:51 -500 In-Reply-To: Tyson Dowd's message of "Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:38:59 +1000" Message-ID: <87pvcniq4g.fsf@raven.localhost> Lines: 6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070031 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.31) Emacs/20.3 Sender: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Precedence: bulk X-Mozilla-Status: 0000 I don't have time to look at the diff in detail right now, but from my cursory inspection, it looks fine to me. -- Rob Browning PGP=E80E0D04F521A094 532B97F5D64E3930 ----- %< -------------------------------------------- >% ------ The GnuCash / X-Accountant Mailing List To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@gnucash.org and put "unsubscribe gnucash-devel your@email.address" in the body From - Sat Sep 26 07:43:20 1998 Received: by mailhost (mbox linux) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sat Sep 26 02:20:43 1998) X-From_: owner-gnucash-devel@gnucash.org Tue Sep 22 13:24:57 1998 X-Envelope-To: Return-Path: Received: from hydra.host4u.net (hydra.host4u.net [209.150.128.35]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with ESMTP id NAA11616 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:24:56 -0500 (CDT) Rec